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2012
Thursday, April 26, 2012
Ryan.McCann
Fact: Traditional Marriage led Family is Ideal

The Institute for American Values is composed of scholars from around the country. It boasts collaboration on research from many prominent professors from our nation's finest colleges and universities. Many of which are no friend to conservatives. Yet, they all agree on one thing. Marriage is important. They back it up with some pretty impressive research.
Check out discussions from some of the nation's experts on marriage:

More video from the Q & A is available here: http://www.centerforpublicconversation.org/events/v/wmm-20110816.php

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You're right. They do identify marriage as important. So do gays and lesbians. That's why the Institute argues that same-sex marriage should be legal - because it is important. That's why they chastise organizations like yours who argues it should be illegal. The founder of the organization testified during the Prop 8 trial on behalf of the LGBT community. The group you regularly tout - the National Organization for Marriage - led the charge against marriage in California. It's also listed as an official hate group. But you already knew that when you decided to post these videos pretending that they sanction discrimination, didn't you?

Bil! Old buddy, old pal! It's been too long! How's D.C. treating you??

First of all, I was really talking about marriage above, not attempts to redefine marriage. In most of the country marriage is still defined as one man/one woman and is defined as such within the work the Institute for American Values does. Secondly, The Institute does not advocate for gay marriage. You've got that one wrong my friend. David Blankenhorn is the President and is very much pro-traditional marriage.

The same benefits listed in the social science research above have not been proven within the homosexual community.

As a matter of fact, in the states and countries that have redefined marriage to include homosexual couples, very few self identified "GLBT" folks even take advantage of it. Let's face it Bil...how many of your gay buddies would even marry their male lovers if given the opportunity? Very few.

So, completely changing the definition of marriage legally seems like a big waste of time.

Lol...last thing...NOM is a "hate group"? Because some radical leftist group like the Southern Poverty Law Center says so? They are a joke. Not persuasive Bil...you can do better.

Actually, you're right on one thing... He was called to testify by the proponents, but ended up agreeing with the opponents mostly. From his Wikipedia article: "Blankenhorn was presented to the court as an expert witness in Perry v. Schwarzenegger by the proponents of California Proposition 8 (2008), a constitutional amendment restricting marriage to the union of opposite-sex couples.[9] On cross-examination by David Boies, Blankenhorn stated that marriage's "rule of two people" is not violated by polygamy, because "Even in instances of a man engaging in polygamous marriage, each marriage is separate. He — one man — marries one woman."[10] During questioning, Blankenhorn stated "I believe that adopting same-sex marriage would be likely to improve the well-being of gay and lesbian households and their children."[11] Also, he identified 22 other benefits of adopting same-sex marriage, published on page 203 of his book "The Future of Marriage", stating only 5 with which he disagreed. Some of the benefits with which he did agree included that it would: increase the proportion of gays and lesbians in stable, committed relationships; lead to higher living standards for same-sex couples; lead to fewer children growing up in state institutions and more growing up in loving adoptive and foster families; decrease the amount of anti-gay prejudice and hate crimes; and decrease the number of those warily viewed as "other" in society, further reaching the American ideal.[12]"

As for what you intended, that's not relative to this discussion about the video you posted. What's relevant is what THEY - the people in the video - intended. And they have repeatedly said that marriage is best for couples - including LGBT couples. Yes, the same benefits have been found. That's why the group's like AFA always put out statements about how marriage is good for families - but when you look closely you can see that they mean both straight and gay families. After all, it says so right in the studies y'all quote (but conveniently skip that portion!).

And this will blow your mind, Ryan. David Blankenhorn may be "pro-traditional marriage," but he just penned an op-ed in North Carolina to tell folks to vote against their proposed constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality. Their amendment mirrors Indiana's proposed amendment. Hence, he'd be opposed to the tripe you're pushing too. In fact, Elizabeth Marquardt, the Institute's director (also featured in your first video!) co-wrote the op-ed with him. They conclude: "[A]s marriage advocates, we oppose the state marriage amendment now being debated in North Carolina. We hope that when North Carolinians go to the polls on May 8 they will defeat this measure."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/04/11/1992920/amendment-goes-too-far.html#storylink=cpy

Your side is slowly coming to the realization that they've been led astray by bigots and snake oil salesmen. It's what usually happens when folks find out they've been deceived.

Bil,

What you don't mention is that David is a self described liberal. He supports traditional marriage time and time again. We may disagree on some specific policy points...but that's because HE IS A LIBERAL. That makes his research even more profound because when the research cited above mentions "marriage" it means "one man and one woman". The research does not include homosexual "married" couples...only heterosexual married couples. Therefore, the positive results cited in the study cannot be accurately attributed to same-sex couples. Folks can hypothocate all they want...but it's not based on the research.

I find it increasingly annoying that you and your Leftist allies have to stoop to personal attacks and name calling. It shows that your arguments are weak. Apparently the folks of North Carolina agree. 61-39 is a big time win. Americans are sick of being slandered as "bigots" because we support marriage and religious liberty.